Aug 26, 2019
Today’s episode is very close to my heart as I have a personal
experience with diabetes. My father developed Type II Diabetes and
I have watched him struggle with this disease. It was a very
difficult time of my life. Ever since he passed away five years
ago, I set out and study diabetes and why my fathers doctors’
advice did not work.
I came across the book
The Obesity Code: Unlocking the Secrets of Weight Loss
by Dr. Jason Fung where he explains how to use intermittent fasting
to break the cycle of insulin resistance and reach a healthy
weight—for good. The information that I now know would’ve saved my
father’s life. Which is why I fully support Dr. Jason Fung’s,
today’s guest, on his mission to spread as much information on
diabetes and intermittent fasting to help as many people as
Dr. Jason Fung is a Canadian nephrologist. He’s a world-leading
expert on intermittent fasting and low carb, especially for
treating people with type 2 diabetes. He has written three
best-selling health books and he co-founded the Intensive Dietary Management
Dr. Fung works with Team Diet Doctor where they make it
simple for people to understand and implement intermittent fasting,
to improve their health.
In this episode, we break down every single thing you need to
know about calories, obesity, diabetes and intermittent fasting.
Sit tight and enjoy!
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[00:17] How Dr. Fung got into the health space,
- As a Math and Science person, Dr. Fung initially thought he
would pursue the field of engineering.
- He then decided that being a physician was more fitted to his
- After years in the university, he figured that he was also
invested in doing research.
- As a physician, he can help people and do some research at the
- In choosing a specialty, Dr. Fung felt that Nephrology suited
his personality better. Nephrology is a complex specialty which is
sort of a thinking-person speciality unlike cardiology which is
more of an action specialty (i.e surgery)
[4:13] Diabetes, Obesity and Intermittent
- The most common and important cause of kidney disease is Type
II Diabetes which is closely related to weight gain and obesity.
- Treating kidney diseases with medications is the least
effective way to treat people.
- You have to look at the root cause of the disease in order to
be successful in treating it. Which is why, for Dr. Fung, the real
question was “what causes weight gain?”
- Nutrition is not considered part of the medical specialty which
explains why doctors depend on medications to treat certain
- Second question: What are you gonna do about it?
- Obesity was not existent during the 1970s. Now, 70% of
Americans are obese.
- Intermittent Fasting:
- People suffering with Type II Diabetes for 20+ years
immediately felt better by intermittent fasting.
- Fasting is less fun that eating pizza and doughnuts. Fasting is
- It is important to give people undergoing intermittent fasting
the support and education they need.
[12:30] The Calorie Debacle
- Coca-Cola created a group called the Global Energy Balance
Network to keep people focused on calories.
- They wanted people to think that 100 calories of broccoli is
equivalent to 100 calories of Coca-Cola which is completely
- If you think that if you can eat cookies, drink coke and
exercise then, you’ll be healthy, you are wrong. But, Coca-Cola
wants you to think that this is right.
- Hormones control hunger, telling our body when to eat and when
- Different calorie sources elicit different hormonal
- Diet and exercise are totally different things.
- Diet is what you eat. It affects the liver mostly.
- Exercise is mostly about skeletal muscles.
- Calorie is not a physiologic term. There’s no calorie-receptors
in our body.
- We think that excessive intake of calories causes obesity. We
think that this is a caloric imbalance. Too many ‘calories in’
compared to too few ‘calories out’ leads to weight gain. This
Calorie Balance model of obesity has been drilled into us since
- Read more about the Calorie Debacle here.
[18:40] Intermittent Fasting as a reasonable alternative
to treat patients
- Ketogenic diet and intermittent fasting are not as famous as
- Jason Fung received a lot of backlash when he started to
introduce intermittent fasting to his patients.
- Because of IF, patients were getting better. At the end of the
day, you can’t ignore that.
- Other doctors started to notice the success of IF.
- Through his book,
The Obesity Code: Unlocking the Secrets of Weight
Loss, Dr. Fung explains how to use intermittent fasting to
break the cycle of insulin resistance and reach a healthy
[25:55] Why the common treatments for type 2 diabetes
seem to make things worse
- Type II Diabetes is a reversible disease.
- The standard treatment of Type II diabetes focused on getting
the sugar down by medications.
- Doctors should’ve focused on the patient’s diet to help them
lose weight because if you lose weight, your diabetes gets
- Jason Fung forever changed the way we think about obesity and
he wanted to do the same for type 2 diabetes through his book
The Diabetes Code: Prevent and Reverse Type 2 Diabetes
- He explains why conventional treatments that rely on insulin or
other blood-glucose-lowering drugs can actually exacerbate the
problem, leading to significant weight gain and even heart
- People cannot just make a decision to burn more fat calories,
or to feel less hungry. These are physiological issues and must be
addressed via physiology.
[31:49] Dr. Fung’s Intensive Dietary Management (IDM)
- The IDM program helps people reach their health goals through
intermittent fasting and simple-to-follow time-restricted eating
- It’s a structured digital lifestyle intervention developed by
Megan Ramos and Dr. Jason Fung that provides you with all the
education and support you need to succeed.
- At least several thousands of people have gone through the
Intensive Dietary Management program and the number keeps adding
- For 2019 years, people have already been talking about fasting
and they don’t talk about it as a terrible thing.
- Fung clarifies that he didn’t invent intermittent fasting. He
just started talking about it because it seems logical to him.
[37:14] Guinness World Record on the Longest Recorded
- In the 1971 edition of The Guinness Book of Records, Barbieri's
382-day fast was recognized as the longest recorded.
- The most important thing is that people feel well throughout
their entire fasting.
- For 365 days a year, 3 meals a day, you are taking a total of
1000 meals per year. If you do a 7-day fast, you’re going to miss
21 of that 1000. How is that a big deal?
AND MUCH MORE!
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