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The Keto Kamp Podcast With Ben Azadi

Aug 26, 2019

Today’s episode is very close to my heart as I have a personal experience with diabetes. My father developed Type II Diabetes and I have watched him struggle with this disease. It was a very difficult time of my life. Ever since he passed away five years ago, I set out and study diabetes and why my fathers doctors’ advice did not work.


I came across the book The Obesity Code: Unlocking the Secrets of Weight Loss by Dr. Jason Fung where he explains how to use intermittent fasting to break the cycle of insulin resistance and reach a healthy weight—for good. The information that I now know would’ve saved my father’s life. Which is why I fully support Dr. Jason Fung’s, today’s guest, on his mission to spread as much information on diabetes and intermittent fasting to help as many people as possible.


Dr. Jason Fung is a Canadian nephrologist. He’s a world-leading expert on intermittent fasting and low carb, especially for treating people with type 2 diabetes. He has written three best-selling health books and he co-founded the Intensive Dietary Management Program.


Dr. Fung works with Team Diet Doctor where they make it simple for people to understand and implement intermittent fasting, to improve their health.


In this episode, we break down every single thing you need to know about calories, obesity, diabetes and intermittent fasting. Sit tight and enjoy!


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[00:17] How Dr. Fung got into the health space, particularly nephrology

  • As a Math and Science person, Dr. Fung initially thought he would pursue the field of engineering.
  • He then decided that being a physician was more fitted to his style.
    • After years in the university, he figured that he was also invested in doing research.
    • As a physician, he can help people and do some research at the same time.
  • In choosing a specialty, Dr. Fung felt that Nephrology suited his personality better. Nephrology is a complex specialty which is sort of a thinking-person speciality unlike cardiology which is more of an action specialty (i.e surgery)


[4:13] Diabetes, Obesity and Intermittent Fasting

  • The most common and important cause of kidney disease is Type II Diabetes which is closely related to weight gain and obesity.
    • Treating kidney diseases with medications is the least effective way to treat people.
    • You have to look at the root cause of the disease in order to be successful in treating it. Which is why, for Dr. Fung, the real question was “what causes weight gain?”
  • Nutrition is not considered part of the medical specialty which explains why doctors depend on medications to treat certain illnesses.
  • Second question: What are you gonna do about it?
  • Obesity was not existent during the 1970s. Now, 70% of Americans are obese.
  • Intermittent Fasting:
    • People suffering with Type II Diabetes for 20+ years immediately felt better by intermittent fasting.
    • Fasting is less fun that eating pizza and doughnuts. Fasting is tough work.
    • It is important to give people undergoing intermittent fasting the support and education they need.


[12:30] The Calorie Debacle

  • Coca-Cola created a group called the Global Energy Balance Network to keep people focused on calories.
    • They wanted people to think that 100 calories of broccoli is equivalent to 100 calories of Coca-Cola which is completely wrong.
    • If you think that if you can eat cookies, drink coke and exercise then, you’ll be healthy, you are wrong. But, Coca-Cola wants you to think that this is right.
  • Hormones control hunger, telling our body when to eat and when to stop.
    • Different calorie sources elicit different hormonal responses.
  • Diet and exercise are totally different things.
    • Diet is what you eat. It affects the liver mostly.
    • Exercise is mostly about skeletal muscles.
  • Calorie is not a physiologic term. There’s no calorie-receptors in our body.
  • We think that excessive intake of calories causes obesity. We think that this is a caloric imbalance. Too many ‘calories in’ compared to too few ‘calories out’ leads to weight gain. This Calorie Balance model of obesity has been drilled into us since childhood.
  • Read more about the Calorie Debacle here.



[18:40] Intermittent Fasting as a reasonable alternative to treat patients

  • Ketogenic diet and intermittent fasting are not as famous as low-carb diet.
  • Jason Fung received a lot of backlash when he started to introduce intermittent fasting to his patients.
  • Because of IF, patients were getting better. At the end of the day, you can’t ignore that.
  • Other doctors started to notice the success of IF.
  • Through his book, The Obesity Code: Unlocking the Secrets of Weight Loss, Dr. Fung explains how to use intermittent fasting to break the cycle of insulin resistance and reach a healthy weight—for good.


[25:55] Why the common treatments for type 2 diabetes seem to make things worse

  • Type II Diabetes is a reversible disease.
  • The standard treatment of Type II diabetes focused on getting the sugar down by medications.
  • Doctors should’ve focused on the patient’s diet to help them lose weight because if you lose weight, your diabetes gets better.
  • Jason Fung forever changed the way we think about obesity and he wanted to do the same for type 2 diabetes through his book The Diabetes Code: Prevent and Reverse Type 2 Diabetes Naturally
    • He explains why conventional treatments that rely on insulin or other blood-glucose-lowering drugs can actually exacerbate the problem, leading to significant weight gain and even heart disease.
  • People cannot just make a decision to burn more fat calories, or to feel less hungry. These are physiological issues and must be addressed via physiology.


[31:49] Dr. Fung’s Intensive Dietary Management (IDM) program

  • The IDM program helps people reach their health goals through intermittent fasting and simple-to-follow time-restricted eating strategies.
  • It’s a structured digital lifestyle intervention developed by Megan Ramos and Dr. Jason Fung that provides you with all the education and support you need to succeed.
  • At least several thousands of people have gone through the Intensive Dietary Management program and the number keeps adding up.  
  • For 2019 years, people have already been talking about fasting and they don’t talk about it as a terrible thing.
  • Fung clarifies that he didn’t invent intermittent fasting. He just started talking about it because it seems logical to him.


[37:14] Guinness World Record on the Longest Recorded Fast

  • In the 1971 edition of The Guinness Book of Records, Barbieri's 382-day fast was recognized as the longest recorded.
  • The most important thing is that people feel well throughout their entire fasting.
  • For 365 days a year, 3 meals a day, you are taking a total of 1000 meals per year. If you do a 7-day fast, you’re going to miss 21 of that 1000. How is that a big deal?




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