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The Keto Kamp Podcast With Ben Azadi

Nov 22, 2021

Today, I am blessed to have here with me Nina Teicholz. She is an investigative science journalist and leader in nutrition reporting who is challenging the conventional wisdom on dietary fat–particularly, whether saturated fat causes heart disease and whether fat really makes you fat. 

The New York Times bestselling author of The Big Fat Surprise. Teicholz also serves as Executive Director of The Nutrition Coalition, an independent non-profit group that promotes evidence-based nutrition policy. She is one of a new generation of researchers arguing that diets lower in carbohydrates are a scientifically sound approach for reversing nutrition-related diseases.


For more than half a century, we’ve been told to eat a diet high in grains, low in fat, saturated fat (and cholesterol), but the last two decades of research have led a growing number of scientists  to conclude that this diet, despite being rigorously tested, could never be shown to prevent any kind of disease. Teicholz’s work also explains why this diet has remained official policy for so long: the roles played by crusading scientists, the food industry, and more.

In this episode, Nina opens the show by explaining her obsession with studying fat. Nina realized that people were afraid to talk about fat because the food industry was pushing their agenda. Nina explains what was wrong in the 1950s, leading most people to believe that saturated fats and dietary cholesterol cause heart disease. Later, we talk about why the American Heart Association gets so many health facts wrong. Tune in as Nina busts common myths around red meat and who is really pushing vegan and vegetarian diets.

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[03:00] Why Nina Became Obsessed With Studying Fats

  • Nina was assigned to write a story on trans-fat. During her research, Nina came across studies pointing out the flaws in a low-fat diet.
  • However, so many scientists at universities were terrified to talk to Nina about fat. Why? Because people in the food industry were paid to give scientists a hard time.
  • Nina realized there was something really wrong going on here that had such enormous implications.
  • Nutrition science from the very beginning has been heavily influenced by the food industry. For instance, the vegetable oil industry wanted to go after people for attacking vegetable oils in any way.
  • You see the same tactics happening today on social media. 


[08:55] Polyunsaturated Fats vs. Saturated Fats vs. Monounsaturated Fats

  • Fatty acids are long carbon chains. 
  • Poly means many. Polyunsaturated fats have many double bonds. Each time there's a double bond in the chain, it kinks the chain.
  • Some examples of polyunsaturated fats:
    • Corn oil
    • Safflower oil
    • Sunflower oil
    • Canola oil    
  • Monounsaturated fats are the same carbon chain but with one double bond. If you want to use oil, it’s better to use olive oil because it only has one double bond.
  • Saturated means that the carbon chain is statured with hydrogen, and there is no double bond. It is a flat chain, and it makes a solid like butter.
  • Saturated fats are actually the best for cooking, and they're the healthiest for eating because they do not oxidize or cause inflammation.


[17:55] What Went Wrong In The 1950s With Ancel Keys and President Eisenhower

  • The idea that fat, cholesterol, and animal foods are bad for health began in the 1950s. 
  • The US was really in a panic over the rising tide of heart disease, which had been virtually nonexistent in the early 1900s.
  • In the 1930s, heart disease became the number one killer. 
  • A panic started when President Eisenhower himself had a heart attack in 1955.
  • Eisenhower’s doctor was convinced by Ancel Keys that saturated fats and dietary cholesterol cause heart disease. 
  • Plus, Ancel Keys got his ideas adopted by the American Heart Association. 
  • Ancel came out with a statement saying to avoid saturated fat and cholesterol in order to prevent heart attacks. We are still dealing with this in 2021. 


[23:00] Why Are Seed Oils Approved by the American Heart Association? 

  • How is it possible for the American Heart Association to continue to ignore so much scientific literature?
  • More than 20 papers published in the field have concluded that we got it wrong on saturated fats. 
  • There is no data to justify the authorities' limits on these seed oils.
  • It’s challenging to trust the government with our health when they recommend seed oils.


[31:00] Sorry Vegans, Meat-Eating Is Healthy For Humans 

  • Nina did not know how controversial red meat was until she put a picture of it on the cover of her book. 
  • Sadly, many people think that if you eat meat, you're a bad person, you don't believe in climate change, and you're not doing your part to protect the climate.
  • There's this moral revulsion that has been created against meat.
  • Influencers in the spheres of science and public health have vilified one of the healthiest foods on the planet. 
  • Meat was developed by humans in order to have a convenient and cheap source of protein.


[33:15] Myth: Meat Causes Diabetes  

  • Diabetes is caused by elevated blood sugars. Sugar causes elevated blood sugars, so do carbs. 
  • Where's the sugar in meat? It's just nonexistent. 
  • It's impossible that meat would cause diabetes.
  • Red meat consumption has gone down around 28% since 1970. Whereas, diabetes has skyrocketed out of control. 


[34:15] Myth: Red Meat Causes Colorectal Cancer

  • The WHO decided that red meat and processed meats cause colorectal cancer.
  • This decision was based on these kinds of weak science called epidemiological or observational studies that show associations instead of causation.
  • The data they used was self-reported dietary data, and we all lie about what we eat.
  • There needs to be a more significant discussion about the bias against red meat.


[38:30] Why People Are Pushing Vegetarian and Vegan Diets

  • The animal rights movement does not want people eating animals.
  • The Seventh Day Adventist Church has a religious belief that people should eat a vegan diet.
    Plus, the food industry has an enormous investment in plant-based foods.
  • Also, many companies want to hop on the climate change bandwagon. 
  • Many vegan burgers have vegetable oils that are not healthy. 


[41:30] Myth: There’s a Correlation Between Red Meat Consumption and Heart Disease

  • The original reason that red meat was thought to cause heart disease was based the fact that it contains saturated fat and cholesterol.
  • However, research shows that saturated fat and cholesterol do not cause heart disease. 
  • Therefore, foods containing saturated fat and cholesterol don't cause heart disease.
  • The correlation between saturated fat, cholesterol, and heart disease has been more rigorously and extensively studied than almost any other scientific question in the history of nutrition science. 


[47:15] Which To Cut First: Smoking Cigarettes, Processed Sugars, or Vegetable Oils 

  • People smoked historically for hundreds of years tobacco, but they did not get cancer or heart disease until the introduction of sugar.
  • Nina says that smoking is probably safer than processed sugars or vegetable oils. 
  • Between sugar and vegetable oils, Nina says that vegetable oils are safer. 
  • People who go low-carb will see massive improvements even if they continue to use vegetable oils. 




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Paleo Valley beef sticks, apple cider vinegar complex, organ meat complex & more. Use the coupon code KETOKAMP15 over at to receive 15% off your entire order.

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