Nov 22, 2021
Today, I am blessed to have here
with me Nina Teicholz. She is an investigative science journalist
and leader in nutrition reporting who is challenging the
conventional wisdom on dietary fat–particularly, whether saturated
fat causes heart disease and whether fat really makes you
fat.
The New York Times bestselling
author of The Big Fat Surprise. Teicholz also serves as Executive
Director of The Nutrition Coalition, an independent non-profit
group that promotes evidence-based nutrition policy. She is one of
a new generation of researchers arguing that diets lower in
carbohydrates are a scientifically sound approach for reversing
nutrition-related diseases.
For more than half a century,
we’ve been told to eat a diet high in grains, low in fat, saturated
fat (and cholesterol), but the last two decades of research have
led a growing number of scientists to conclude that this
diet, despite being rigorously tested, could never be shown to
prevent any kind of disease. Teicholz’s work also explains why this
diet has remained official policy for so long: the roles played by
crusading scientists, the food industry, and more.
In this episode, Nina opens the
show by explaining her obsession with studying fat. Nina realized
that people were afraid to talk about fat because the food industry
was pushing their agenda. Nina explains what was wrong in the
1950s, leading most people to believe that saturated fats and
dietary cholesterol cause heart disease. Later, we talk about why
the American Heart Association gets so many health facts wrong.
Tune in as Nina busts common myths around red meat and who is
really pushing vegan and vegetarian diets.
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[03:00] Why Nina Became Obsessed With Studying
Fats
- Nina was assigned to write a story on
trans-fat. During her research, Nina came across studies pointing
out the flaws in a low-fat diet.
- However, so many scientists at universities
were terrified to talk to Nina about fat. Why? Because people in
the food industry were paid to give scientists a hard
time.
- Nina realized there was something really wrong
going on here that had such enormous implications.
- Nutrition science from the very beginning has
been heavily influenced by the food industry. For instance, the
vegetable oil industry wanted to go after people for attacking
vegetable oils in any way.
- You see the same tactics happening today on
social media.
[08:55] Polyunsaturated Fats vs. Saturated Fats vs.
Monounsaturated Fats
- Fatty acids are long carbon
chains.
- Poly means many. Polyunsaturated fats have many
double bonds. Each time there's a double bond in the chain, it
kinks the chain.
- Some examples of polyunsaturated
fats:
-
- Corn oil
- Safflower oil
- Sunflower oil
- Canola oil
- Monounsaturated fats are the same carbon chain
but with one double bond. If you want to use oil, it’s better to
use olive oil because it only has one double bond.
- Saturated means that the carbon chain is
statured with hydrogen, and there is no double bond. It is a flat
chain, and it makes a solid like butter.
- Saturated fats are actually the best for
cooking, and they're the healthiest for eating because they do not
oxidize or cause inflammation.
[17:55] What Went Wrong In The 1950s With Ancel Keys and
President Eisenhower
- The idea that fat, cholesterol, and animal
foods are bad for health began in the 1950s.
- The US was really in a panic over the rising
tide of heart disease, which had been virtually nonexistent in the
early 1900s.
- In the 1930s, heart disease became the number
one killer.
- A panic started when President Eisenhower
himself had a heart attack in 1955.
- Eisenhower’s doctor was convinced by Ancel Keys
that saturated fats and dietary cholesterol cause heart
disease.
- Plus, Ancel Keys got his ideas adopted by the
American Heart Association.
- Ancel came out with a statement saying to avoid
saturated fat and cholesterol in order to prevent heart attacks. We
are still dealing with this in 2021.
[23:00] Why Are Seed Oils Approved by the American Heart
Association?
- How is it possible for the American Heart
Association to continue to ignore so much scientific
literature?
- More than 20 papers published in the field have
concluded that we got it wrong on saturated fats.
- There is no data to justify the authorities'
limits on these seed oils.
- It’s challenging to trust the government with
our health when they recommend seed oils.
[31:00] Sorry Vegans, Meat-Eating Is Healthy For
Humans
- Nina did not know how controversial red meat
was until she put a picture of it on the cover of her
book.
- Sadly, many people think that if you eat meat,
you're a bad person, you don't believe in climate change, and
you're not doing your part to protect the climate.
- There's this moral revulsion that has been
created against meat.
- Influencers in the spheres of science and
public health have vilified one of the healthiest foods on the
planet.
- Meat was developed by humans in order to have a
convenient and cheap source of protein.
[33:15] Myth: Meat Causes
Diabetes
- Diabetes is caused by elevated blood sugars.
Sugar causes elevated blood sugars, so do carbs.
- Where's the sugar in meat? It's just
nonexistent.
- It's impossible that meat would cause
diabetes.
- Red meat consumption has gone down around 28%
since 1970. Whereas, diabetes has skyrocketed out of
control.
[34:15] Myth: Red Meat Causes Colorectal
Cancer
- The WHO decided that red meat and processed
meats cause colorectal cancer.
- This decision was based on these kinds of weak
science called epidemiological or observational studies that show
associations instead of causation.
- The data they used was self-reported dietary
data, and we all lie about what we eat.
- There needs to be a more significant discussion
about the bias against red meat.
[38:30] Why People Are Pushing Vegetarian and Vegan
Diets
- The animal rights movement does not want people
eating animals.
- The Seventh Day Adventist Church has a
religious belief that people should eat a vegan
diet.
Plus, the food industry has an enormous
investment in plant-based foods.
- Also, many companies want to hop on the climate
change bandwagon.
- Many vegan burgers have vegetable oils that are
not healthy.
[41:30] Myth: There’s a Correlation Between Red Meat
Consumption and Heart Disease
- The original reason that red meat was thought
to cause heart disease was based the fact that it contains
saturated fat and cholesterol.
- However, research shows that saturated fat and
cholesterol do not cause heart disease.
- Therefore, foods containing saturated fat and
cholesterol don't cause heart disease.
- The correlation between saturated fat,
cholesterol, and heart disease has been more rigorously and
extensively studied than almost any other scientific question in
the history of nutrition science.
[47:15] Which To Cut First: Smoking Cigarettes,
Processed Sugars, or Vegetable Oils
- People smoked historically for hundreds of
years tobacco, but they did not get cancer or heart disease until
the introduction of sugar.
- Nina says that smoking is probably safer than
processed sugars or vegetable oils.
- Between sugar and vegetable oils, Nina says
that vegetable oils are safer.
- People who go low-carb will see massive
improvements even if they continue to use vegetable
oils.
AND MUCH MORE!
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