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The Keto Kamp Podcast With Ben Azadi

Jul 29, 2019

One out of every three Americans is diagnosed with cancer. So, it is very important to learn how to cope and deal with it. If you or any of your loved have ever been affected by cancer, this is going to be the episode you’re gonna want to listen. In this episode, I am joined by a world leader in cancer research and the author of The Metabolic Approach to Cancer, Dr. Nasha Winters. I’m thrilled to have Dr. Nasha on to bring us wisdom and tips in navigating the cancer terrain.

Dr. Nasha Winters speaks from experience when she talks about Cancer and how to be proactive in preventing and/or combating it. Her first experience with cancer was at the age of 19. She was diagnosed with stage IV ovarian cancer and given only a few months to live. Determine to get well, she discovered the life changes that would turn it around. She immersed herself in chemistry and biology and became her own savior. Her book, The Metabolic Approach to Cancer, stems from her nearly three decades of personal and professional experience in the field of integrative oncology.

Dr. Nasha is a licensed Naturopathic Doctor (ND) and a Fellow of the American Board of Naturopathic Oncology (FABNO). She is a global healthcare authority in integrative cancer research. Dr. Nasha is a sought-after speaker and consults with physicians worldwide.

This episode is all about cancer and we dig deep as to why this disease is happening. Listen and learn from the stories that Dr. Nasha shares that will truly affect your heart. We also talked about skin cancer, BRCA gene, vitamin D and more. There’s so much information in this episode making it truly one for the books!

In this episode, you'll discover:


[4:24] Dr. Nasha’s first experience with cancer

  • At the age of 19, Dr. Nasha was diagnosed with stage IV ovarian cancer.
    • She was given 3 to 6 months to live, even with treatment.
    • She was filled with ascites, metastatic lesions, crippled in extreme pain and nausea, had infections simmering, severe malnourishment, and muscle wasting.
  • Her doctors told her that chemo and surgery wouldn’t help her advanced cancer.
    • The diagnosis of terminal cancer suddenly shook her awake and asked her point-blank if she wanted to live or die.
  • It had taken countless doctors over six months to stop making assumptions and defaulting to writing scripts from A (anxiolytics) to Z (Zithromax). 
  • Dr. Nasha was forced to explore alternative methods. Luckily, she was blessed with an ER doctor who allowed her the time to share the chronology of her symptoms and truly listen.
  • In the last 6 months, Dr. Nasha have seen 5 girls under the age of 10 with Stage IV Ovarian cancer. 
  • Dr. Nasha acknowledges that her past experiences of significant trauma and abuse contributed to her illness.


[17:42] What is The Gerson Therapy?

  • The Gerson Therapy was popularized in the 1940s by Dr. Charlotte Gerson.
  • Dr. Gerson had amazing experience of solving all kinds of oncology situations by putting people on a very vegetable-densed high potassium, low sodium chloride diet. 
  • The key parts of the Gerson therapy are a strict diet, dietary supplements, and enemas.


[24:12] Sharing authentically is very powerful for healing the body. 

  • The theory that changing mental state can affect the course of cancer has been popularized by authors such as Bernie Siegel and Deepak Chopra. 
  • A support group program called Exceptional Cancer Patients (ECap) developed by Dr. Siegel found that women with breast cancer has a higher chance of survival rate when they are part of a support group.
  • Take The ACE Quiz - According to the Adverse Childhood Experiences study, the rougher your childhood, the higher your score is likely to be and the higher your risk for later health problems.


[27:45] The Cancer Experience

  • Having been diagnosed with cancer felt a very dirty secret for Dr. Nasha.
  • The first person that she has told about her diagnosis then is now her husband. 
  • The hardest thing when you are dealing with a cancer diagnosis is the well-meaning advice and wishes of the people in your circle. 
  • You could take every perfect supplement. You could be in perfect metabolic flexibility. You can have an incredibly immaculate clean environment. But, if you are not dealing with the emotional healing within yourselves, you are not gonna get very far. You are not gonna get the outcomes you are hoping to achieve.
  • People have to come to it when they are ready.
  • Check out this resource from Dr. Nasha: 5 Steps to Take After a Cancer Diagnosis


[34:38] Top tools to heal your body

  • At 16, Dr. Nasha decided to become a ‘vegetarian’
  • A Chinese medical practitioner looked at her tongue and told her, “You have to eat some animal food.”
    • Adjust accordingly.
    • Consistently do your labs. Do not guess.
    • Do not compare. 
  • Dr. Nasha advices people diagnosed with cancer to not tell everybody in the beginning.
    • When you tell your loved ones, you deal with their reactions and you don’t get the opportunity to work on your own.

[41:28] Issue with eating every two to three hours

  • When we eat that often, we don’t give ourselves the bowel rest we need so that everything can clear up and evacuate.
  • You have to give that window of autophagy to take out the garbage.
  • Somewhere between 12 to 72 hours (depending on the person and situation), that’s what it’ll take to get some autophagy. 
  • If you fast 13 hours a day and you are eating clean and relatively low carb, you will shift into some moderate autophagy. 
  • When you are dealing with cancer, you’d want to moderate or lower your protein to avoid clicking on the mTOR pathways. 
    • Kick-up your fats and restrict your carbohydrates to stay off the insulin growth factor aspect. 
    • Bring in some intermittent fasting. 
  • 13 hours everyday, 16 to 18 hours twice a week, 3 days a month of fasting. 
  • Walk towards to water fasting. 
  • If you feel hungry, drink water. If after 15 minutes, you are still hungry, have a teaspon of coconut oil. After 15 minutes again, have a little bit of protein. If you are still hungry after that, eat a piece of fruit. 
  • Hunger is more psychological than physical. 


[47:30] Tips for people who are recovering from surgery 

  • Understand why did we get here.
  • We can’t completely heal and stay healed in the soil in which we got sick.
  • Learn about The Terrain Ten, Dr. Winters’s cancer program for achieving optimal health
  • See a prostate specialist to have a look for infectious agents. 
  • Do some basic good laboratory assessment.
  • Rule of thumb specific for prostate cancer only: 
    • Avoid poultry skin and dairy.
    • If you want dairy, take occasional heavy sour cream. 
    • Quality is key. We don’t want extras because extras are all cancer drivers.
    • Avoid red meat especially if you have the ACSL1. 
    • Monitor both free and total PSA and PAP.
    • Get a BIOCEPT prostate profile and circulating tumor cell count enumeration.


[52:36] Fasting, Keto and Skin Cancer: Myths and Facts

  • All of us could benefit from a lower carbohydrate diet and higher plant intake diet. 
  • Sugar drives the viral process.
  • Melanoma is not a skin cancer. It is a systemic cancer.
    • It is one of the cancers that the Gerson Diet does a pretty good job with. 
    • Low carb diet to vegetarian diet
  • Apply soap to pits and parts. Do not damage the absorption process of your skin. 
  • Get a good bath every two weeks. 
  • Skin tags are blood sugars. If you see skin tags, you are looking at diabetes. 

[60:00] Test. Assess. Address.

  • Dr. Nasha encourages everyone to run at least annually a complete metabolic panel (CMP),  complete blood count (CBC), neutrophil-lymphocyte ratio (NLR), and Lactic Acid Dehydrogenase (LDH) Test.
  • Awareness is the first step.
  • Make sure you vitamin D levels are above 50, if you are not dealing with a chronic illness.
  • Even though an LDH test is useful in diagnosing tissue damage, other tests are usually necessary to pinpoint the location of the damage. One such test is called the LDH isoenzymes test. LDH isoenzymes are five kinds of the LDH enzyme that are found in specific concentrations in different organs and tissues. 


[68:00]  What is The BRCA gene?

  • The name “BRCA” is an abbreviation for “BReast CAncer gene.” BRCA1 and BRCA2 are two different genes that have been found to impact a person’s chances of developing breast cancer.
  • When a BRCA gene is mutated, it may no longer be effective at repairing broken DNA and helping to prevent breast cancer. Because of this, people with a BRCA gene mutation are more likely to develop breast cancer, and more likely to develop cancer at a younger age. The carrier of the mutated gene can also pass a gene mutation down to his or her offspring.




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