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The Keto Kamp Podcast With Ben Azadi

Sep 25, 2020

Today, I am grateful to have a repeat Keto Kamp guest, a Canadian nephrologist, the world-leading expert on intermittent fasting and low carb, especially for treating people with type 2 diabetes, Dr. Jason Fung.

He has written three best-selling health books and he co-founded the Intensive Dietary Management program.

Dr. Fung has his own websites at

Dr. Fung graduated from the University of Toronto and completed his residency at the University of California, Los Angeles. He lives and works in Toronto, Canada.

Dr. Fung works with Team Diet Doctor. Together we want to make it simple for people to understand and implement intermittent fasting, to improve their health. Below is some of the material with Dr. Fung on Diet Doctor.

In this episode, Dr. Jason Fung dives deep into his eye-opening biography of cancer in which he offers a radical new paradigm for understanding cancer. He explains that all cancers develop from our own cells. When four people get the same type of cancer, all four people will have cancer cells that look identical. Then, Dr. Jason touches on the correlations between glucose, bad fats, and cancer. Stay tuned as Dr. Jason answers questions from the Keto Kamp listeners, including the benefits of fasting during chemotherapy.

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[00:15] About The Cancer Code

  • Cancer has always been a great mystery. We know what causes other diseases or infections. Cancer is the second cause of death in America, yet we don’t know what it is.
  • The way we think about cancer has changed significantly throughout the years. There is an enormous shift in how we see the disease, affecting how we treat the disease.
  • There is a recognition that cancer is actually an obesity-related disease. In 2003, there was convincing evidence about the correlation between cancer and obesity. In fact, it’s a massive part of cancer.
  • Diet turns out to be 30-35% related to cancer causation.
  • Breast cancer and colorectal cancer are the most prominent obesity-related cancers.
  • “Diseases of metabolism are also diseases of growth.” -Dr. Jason Fung

[16:15] Every Cancer Develops From Your Own Cells

  • The number of mutations that are required to get cancer far outstrips the rate of mutation.
  • Why does every cancer look exactly the same?
  • People will have identical cancers that develop independently of each other.
  • Cancer is an evolutionary disease. You can take the tools of evolutionary biology and apply them to cancer instead.
  • All the different mutations are not random because they all end up in the same place. It’s not a random chance mutation; it’s a guided mutation.
  • Cancer is not part of your body; it’s foreign. The immune system will attack cancer cells.

[25:00] A Seven-Day Water Fast Could Shrink Tumors

  • The research on water fasts is preliminary.
  • A water fast will maximize autophagy. It will put your cells into maintenance mode. When you fast, your insulin will lower as well as your mTOR.
  • Cancer is a tough thing to study because you cannot use preventative treatments once it gets past a certain point.
  • If you want to study prevention, then you need lots of people.

[29:00] The Correlation Between Glucose and Cancer

  • Cancer runs on glucose much better than they run on fat.
  • If a cell is trying to grow, then it needs fuel.
  • Some cancer cells can run on protein and fat.
  • Glucose is the most readily available fuel, and it makes the cell run efficiently.
  • If you starve the cell of glucose, then it can change.
  • Before you develop cancer, nutrition can be enough to prevent it.

[38:35] How Bad Fats Could Increase Our Chances of Cancer   

  • Bad fats could possibly increase our chances of cancer. However, the data isn’t there yet.
  • Anything that increases inflammation is going to create a risk of cancer.
  • Cancer develops from inflammation and chronic damage.
  • Anything that causes chronic damage to the body puts pressure on the body to be in survival mode.

[42:50] The Benefits of Metformin

  • If you have type 2 diabetes, then metformin may be better for cancer prevention.
  • Metformin will turn down excessive growth. If you are in growth mode all the time, it’s bad for longevity.
  • You want your metabolic rate to be lower by eating less.

[45:30] Getting Too Much Autophagy  

  • Too much autophagy is bad and too little autophagy is bad. You want to be somewhere in the middle.
  • You want to maintain a middle ground of autophagy for the most part.
  • When you eat too much, you’ll turn off autophagy.

[47:40] How Fasting Can Improve Chemotherapy  

  • Chemotherapy will kill cancer cells. Fasting will turn down normal cell growth. Therefore, they will be less susceptible to chemotherapy.
  • Cancer cells cannot turn themselves down as easily.
  • Fasting is safe during chemotherapy. Plus, it is shown that you can handle the chemotherapy better when fasting.


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